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Junior · 65/85/150/250/450cc · Motorcycling South Australia

Liam Dinnage #343

251 and over 2 stroke · racing since 13 Apr 2013
29Meetings
104Motos
41Wins
62Podiums
P1Best finish
60%Podium rate
#3,059 most laps · top 6% #5,164 most races · top 9% #1,525 most podiums · top 3% #571 most wins · top 1% #1,930 most time on track · top 4% #5,081 iron riders · top 9%
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Career stats

10 seasons, 2013 to 2026 · filter by bike:
All bikes 65cc 🔒150cc 🔒250cc 🔒450cc 🔒
104Races
662Laps
71h 38mTime raced
7.5Avg finish of 22.6
3.6Races / meeting
60%Podium rate

Average finish per season

Position in class, lower is better. Career average 7.5.
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Races per season

104 races across 29 meetings.
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Laps and time raced

662 laps, 71h 38m on the track.
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The full breakdown of Liam's career

Gap to the winner season by season (24.2s behind on average, but which way is it heading?), every season in one table, lap 1 starts and late race fade, best tracks and the split by bike.

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Gap to the winner

Average seconds behind the class winner, same lap count only. Career 24.2s.
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Best tracks

Gillman 6 racesP16 podiums
Keith Motorcross Track 3 racesP13 podiums
Gillman MRA Motocross Track 3 racesP13 podiums
South Coast MCC 3 racesP13 podiums
Keith 3 racesP1.33 podiums
COLAC 13 racesP1.713 podiums

Average finish at tracks with 3 or more races.

SeasonMeetingsRacesLapsTimeAvg finishAvg fieldWinsPodiumsGap to P1
20136361796h 46m6.818.41221 (58%)27.8s
201426391h 18m24.232.500 (0%)80.1s
201739521h 41m513.401 (11%)41.9s
20184121153h 40m3.515.867 (58%)24.6s
20211353h 08m658200 (0%)–
2022242759m213.223 (75%)18.7s
202382618921h 14m5.530.71322 (85%)8.6s
202412148h 21m11622 (100%)0.0s
2025132111h 43m11433 (100%)0.0s
2026132112h 45m11733 (100%)0.0s
Career2910466271h 38m7.522.64162 (60%)24.2s

Starts and fitness

Lap by lap data is pulled in once a profile is claimed. Lap 1 position, places gained and late race fade appear here after that.

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Results by meeting 29 meetings, tap one to open

2026 Hattah Desert Race

3 Jul 2026 Hattah Desert Race 3 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Hattah Desert Race
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
Seniors 251cc & over 2 stroke P1 / 17 251 and over 2 stroke 7 4:15:19.660
Seniors Outright P1 / 17 251 and over 2 stroke 7 4:15:19.660 03:39.814
Seniors Senior Race P1 / 17 251 and over 2 stroke 7 32:40.450 4:15:19.660 03:29.194

2025 Penrite Hattah Desert Race

12 Jul 2025 Hattah Desert Race 3 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Hattah Desert Race
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
Seniors Outright P1 / 14 Up to 250 2 stroke 7 3:54:39.662 02:34.746
Seniors Up to 250cc 2 stroke P1 / 14 Up to 250 2 stroke 7 3:54:39.662
Seniors Senior Race P1 / 14 Up to 250 2 stroke 7 31:04.905 3:54:39.662 02:06.940

2024 Penrite Hattah Desert Race

5 Jul 2024 Hattah Desert Race 2 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Hattah Desert Race
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
Seniors Up to 250cc 2 stroke P1 / 16 Up to 250 2 stroke 7 4:10:35.399
Seniors Senior Race P1 / 16 Up to 250 2 stroke 7 32:25.401 4:10:35.399 08:36.449

SAMX Championship Rd4 MRA 10/9/23

10 Sep 2023 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
R6. Expert All Powers R6 P1 / 18 Expert All Powers 6 02:06.245 14:40.988
R6. Expert All Powers R12 P1 / 18 Expert All Powers 6 02:05.463 14:29.151
R6. Expert All Powers R18 P1 / 18 Expert All Powers 6 02:07.798 14:40.717

SAMX Championship Rd3 SCMX

6 Aug 2023 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
R6. Expert All Powers R6 P1 / 16 Expert All Powers 7 01:57.905 14:18.757
R6. Expert All Powers R12 P1 / 16 Expert All Powers 7 01:59.570 14:30.318
R6. Expert All Powers R18 P1 / 16 Expert All Powers 7 01:59.090 14:18.194

2023 MVMX Senior State Titles - Colac

8 Jul 2023 MV MOTOCROSS 2 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · MV MOTOCROSS
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
G. MX1 B Race 1 P2 / 6 MX1 B 7 02:16.511 18:34.532 47.749
G. MX1 B Race 2 P1 / 5 MX1 B 6 02:11.873 15:17.229

2023 Penrite Hattah Desert Race

30 Jun 2023 Hattah Desert Race 3 motos Best P35
Full meeting results → · Hattah Desert Race
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
Seniors 251cc - 450cc 4 stroke P35 / 129 251 - 450 4 Stroke 7 4:58:30.633 30:17.214
Seniors Outright P35 / 129 251 - 450 4 Stroke 7 4:58:30.170 30:17.211
Seniors Senior Race P35 / 129 251 - 450 4 Stroke 7 38:38.883 4:58:30.170 30:00.343

Victorian Senior State Titles RD3 Winton

13 May 2023 MV MOTOCROSS 3 motos Best P2
Full meeting results → · MV MOTOCROSS
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
K. MX1 B Race P2 / 13 MX1 B 10 01:31.955 16:59.724 19.004
K. MX1 B Race P2 / 13 MX1 B 10 01:33.510 17:28.460 08.680
K. MX1 B Race P2 / 10 MX1 B 10 01:33.558 17:03.227 09.387

SAMX Championship Rd1 Gillman

30 Apr 2023 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
7. Expert All Powers Race 7 P1 / 23 Expert All Powers 7 02:16.647 18:19.111
7. Expert All Powers Race 14 P1 / 21 Expert All Powers 7 02:13.640 17:21.044
7. Expert All Powers Race 21 P1 / 20 Expert All Powers 7 02:12.861 17:48.532

2023 MVMX Senior State Titles

25 Mar 2023 MV MOTOCROSS 3 motos Best P2
Full meeting results → · MV MOTOCROSS
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
H. MX1 B Race P3 / 21 MX1 B 4 01:52.184 18:04.590 05:31.138
H. MX1 B Race P2 / 21 MX1 B 9 01:49.989 17:48.750
H. MX1 B Race P2 / 16 MX1 B 7 01:51.178 16:05.007

2023 MVMX Senior State Titles round 1

11 Feb 2023 MV MOTOCROSS 6 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · MV MOTOCROSS
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
D. All Powers - B & C Grade Race P1 / 27 All Powers B 8 01:54.593 17:42.233
D. All Powers - B & C Grade Race P3 / 26 All Powers B 8 01:59.286 17:51.525 27.574
D. All Powers - B & C Grade Race P4 / 23 All Powers B 8 02:03.071 17:46.898 28.232
J. MX 1 - B Race P1 / 22 MX1 B 8 02:00.544 17:37.800
J. MX 1 - B Race P3 / 22 MX1 B 8 02:05.351 18:36.714 31.286
J. MX 1 - B Race P1 / 19 MX1 B 5 02:03.021 11:21.204

Eagles Trailer Campers&Caravan SAMX Rd4

28 Aug 2022 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
R6. Expert All-Powers R 6 P1 / 14 Experts All-Powers 7 01:44.746 14:24.538
R6. Expert All-Powers R 13 P1 / 13 Experts All-Powers 7 01:48.174 14:27.807
R6. Expert All-Powers R 20 P2 / 12 Experts All-Powers 5 01:49.951 11:12.724 11.110

2022 VSMX Round 3 Colac

10 Jul 2022 MV MOTOCROSS 1 moto Best P4
Full meeting results → · MV MOTOCROSS
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
J. AMX STORE MX1 B & C Race 1 P4 / 14 MX1 B 8 01:59.234 19:07.773 01:03.805

2021 Penrite Hattah Desert Race

3 Jul 2021 Hattah Desert Race 3 motos Best P65
Full meeting results → · Hattah Desert Race
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
Seniors 251cc - 450cc 4 stroke P65 / 82 251cc - 450cc 4 stroke 00.000
Seniors Outright P65 / 82 251cc - 450cc 4 stroke 00.000
Seniors Senior Race DNF / 82 251cc - 450cc 4 stroke 5 35:06.984 3:08:25.745

SA MX Championship Rd 4 (Seniors)

19 Aug 2018 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
MX2 Expert & Intermediate Race 1 P1 / 13 Motocross-MX2 Intermediate 9 02:01.786 19:05.231 01:03.089
MX2 Expert & Intermediate Race 2 P1 / 13 Motocross-MX2 Intermediate 9 02:01.786 18:40.239 43.552
MX2 Expert & Intermediate Race 3 P1 / 13 Motocross-MX2 Intermediate 9 02:00.445 18:53.997 45.333

SA MX Championship Rd 3 (Seniors)

29 Jul 2018 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
MX2 Expert & Intermediate Race 1 P1 / 13 Motocross-MX2 Intermediate 10 01:46.729 18:03.943 37.046
MX2 Expert & Intermediate Race 2 P1 / 12 Motocross-MX2 Intermediate 10 01:46.216 18:29.150 01:07.164
MX2 Expert & Intermediate Race 3 P1 / 12 Motocross-MX2 Intermediate 10 01:49.547 18:30.945 50.903

VSMX Championships Rd 3

2 Jun 2018 MV MOTOCROSS 3 motos Best P3
Full meeting results → · MV MOTOCROSS
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
MXD A&B Race 1 P3 / 21 MXD B Grade (U19s) 11 01:42.655 18:43.323 42.989
MXD A&B Race 2 P5 / 20 MXD B Grade (U19s) 10 01:44.445 17:00.919 59.252
MXD A&B Race 3 P4 / 19 MXD B Grade (U19s) 10 01:47.513 17:55.301 49.247

VSMX Championships

21 Apr 2018 MV MOTOCROSS 3 motos Best P8
Full meeting results → · MV MOTOCROSS
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
MXD A&B Race 1 P8 / 18 MXD B Grade (U19s) 10 01:59.697 19:34.936 02:17.581
MXD A&B Race 2 P8 / 18 MXD B Grade (U19s) 9 02:02.956 18:30.141 14.972
MXD A&B Race 3 P8 / 17 MXD B Grade (U19s) 8 02:04.888 16:32.013 15.021

2017 SA MX Champs - Round 3 - Juniors

17 Jun 2017 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P5
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Race 1 P6 / 12 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 8 01:51.916 15:40.888 01:07.828
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Race 2 P5 / 12 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 8 01:50.939 15:17.171 45.277
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Race 3 P5 / 12 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 8 01:53.207 15:30.064 01:01.639

2017 SA MX Champs - Round 2 - Juniors

13 May 2017 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P4
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Race 1 P7 / 16 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 8 01:51.768 16:01.311 48.898
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Race 2 P5 / 16 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 6 01:51.250 11:58.082 21.386
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Race 3 P4 / 16 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 6 01:51.818 12:05.292 19.882

2017 SA MX Champs - Round 1 - Juniors

8 Apr 2017 Motorcycling South Australia 3 motos Best P3
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling South Australia
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Moto 1 P3 / 10 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 8 01:47.132 14:52.813 28.277
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Moto 2 DNS / 10 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 00.000 00.000
128-150cc 2 Stk/200-250cc 4 Stk 13-U16 Moto 3 DNS / 10 128-150cc 2st/200-250cc 4st 13-U16 Years 00.000 00.000

2014 Jnr Victorian MX Championship Rd2

3 May 2014 Motorcycling Victoria 3 motos Best P17
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling Victoria
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
85/150cc BW A Grade Race 1 (2) P17 / 27 85/80cc 2st/150cc 4st sw/bw 12-U16 Grade A 6 02:01.469 12:12.709 01:02.018
85/150cc BW A Grade Race 2 (13) P17 / 26 85/80cc 2st/150cc 4st sw/bw 12-U16 Grade A 6 02:01.187 12:09.099 01:08.660
85/150cc BW A Grade Race 3 (22) P19 / 26 85/80cc 2st/150cc 4st sw/bw 12-U16 Grade A 7 02:03.020 14:38.165 01:29.067

2014 Jnr Victorian MX Championships

22 Mar 2014 Motorcycling Victoria 3 motos Best P29
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling Victoria
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
85/150cc 4 st BW A Grade Race 1 (1) P32 / 39 85/80cc 2st/150cc 4st sw/bw 12-U16 Grade A 6 01:53.022 12:01.213
85/150cc 4 st BW A Grade Race 2 (12) P31 / 38 85/80cc 2st/150cc 4st sw/bw 12-U16 Grade A 7 01:52.909 13:23.163 01:29.644
85/150cc 4 st BW A Grade Race 3 (21) P29 / 39 85/80cc 2st/150cc 4st sw/bw 12-U16 Grade A 7 01:55.762 13:36.360 01:31.018

2013 KTM Australian Junior Motocross

28 Sep 2013 Motorcycling Victoria 10 motos Best P8
Full meeting results → · Motorcycling Victoria
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
B. 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years Event 35 - 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years - Heat 1 P18 / 24 Mini Lites SW - 9-U12 (85cc/150cc 4st) 7 02:08.318 15:24.441 01:30.473
B. 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years Event 55 - 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years - Heat 4 P15 / 24 Mini Lites SW - 9-U12 (85cc/150cc 4st) 6 02:12.021 13:08.308 01:12.296
H. 65cc - 11/u13 years Event 62 - 65cc - 11/u13 years - Moto 1 P12 / 30 65cc - 11-U13 5 02:11.617 11:07.797 52.923
B. 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years Event 73 - 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years - Heat 5 P15 / 24 Mini Lites SW - 9-U12 (85cc/150cc 4st) 6 02:15.059 13:35.685 01:17.982
H. 65cc - 11/u13 years Event 81 - 65cc - 11/u13 years - Moto 2 P12 / 30 65cc - 11-U13 5 02:36.888 13:27.046 01:29.794
B. 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years Event 91 - 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years - Moto 1 P29 / 41 Mini Lites SW - 9-U12 (85cc/150cc 4st) 6 02:20.289 14:33.878 01:48.079
H. 65cc - 11/u13 years Event 97 - 65cc - 11/u13 years - Moto 3 P8 / 30 65cc - 11-U13 5 02:13.855 09:07.025 46.818
B. 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years Event 104 - 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years - Moto 2 P26 / 41 Mini Lites SW - 9-U12 (85cc/150cc 4st) 6 02:19.983 14:21.632 01:36.781
H. 65cc - 11/u13 years Event 110 - 65cc - 11/u13 years - Moto 4 P13 / 30 65cc - 11-U13 5 02:13.290 11:09.914 54.199
B. 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years Event 117 - 85cc/150cc 4st - 9/u12 years - Moto 3 P27 / 41 Mini Lites SW - 9-U12 (85cc/150cc 4st) 6 02:13.877 13:38.670 01:16.280

2013 KTM Australian Junior Motocross

28 Sep 2013 Western Region Motocross 1 moto Best P12
Full meeting results → · Western Region Motocross
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
H. 65cc - 11/u13 years Event 123 - 65cc - 11/u13 years - Moto 5 P12 / 30 65cc - 11-U13 5 02:15.885 11:17.674 47.762

2013 JNR VIC MX CHAMPS RD 3 ALBURY

13 Jul 2013 northern region mx series 6 motos Best P2
Full meeting results → · northern region mx series
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
65 B Race 1 (6) P6 / 14 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:04.385 09:50.524 28.699
65 B Race 2 (15) P4 / 14 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:02.405 09:43.989 03.628
65 B Race 3 (24) P3 / 14 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:05.273 09:51.822 10.130
85 SW B Race 1 (4) P6 / 9 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 3 02:40.940 06:00.056 50.725
85 SW B Race 1 A P2 / 10 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 5 02:30.013 12:27.549 11.398
85 SW B Race 2 (14) P2 / 10 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 5 02:38.459 12:45.426 01.264

2013 JNR VIC MX CHAMPS RD 2 COLAC

26 May 2013 northern region mx series 7 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · northern region mx series
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
85 SW B Race 1 (4) P3 / 13 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 6 02:12.896 13:05.853 06.374
85 SW B Race 2 (14) P1 / 13 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 6 02:11.775 13:00.451
85 SW B Race 3 (22) P1 / 13 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 4 02:13.853 08:07.708
riders entries P2 / 14 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 00.000 00.000
65 B Race 1 (6) P3 / 12 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:10.353 11:07.783 05.809
65 B Race 2 (15) P1 / 12 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:14.263 11:03.524
65 B Race 3 (24) P1 / 12 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:12.222 10:18.781

2013 JNR VIC MX CHAMPS RD 2 COLAC

25 May 2013 northern region mx series 6 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · northern region mx series
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
85 SW B Race 1 (4) P3 / 13 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 6 02:12.896 13:05.853 06.374
85 SW B Race 2 (14) P1 / 13 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 6 02:11.775 13:00.451
85 SW B Race 3 (22) P1 / 13 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 4 02:13.853 08:07.708
65 B Race 1 (6) P3 / 12 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:10.353 11:07.783 05.809
65 B Race 2 (15) P1 / 12 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:14.263 11:03.524
65 B Race 3 (24) P1 / 12 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 5 02:12.222 10:18.781

2013 JNR VIC MX CHAMPS RD 1 MAFFRA

13 Apr 2013 northern region mx series 6 motos Best P1
Full meeting results → · northern region mx series
MotoPosClassLapsBest lapTotalGap
65 B Race 1 (5) P2 / 14 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 4 02:50.311 09:44.085 00.474
85 SW B Race 1 (13) P5 / 14 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 5 02:54.424 13:26.098 27.390
65 B Race 2 (24) P1 / 14 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 4 02:55.906 09:35.954
85 SW B Race 2 (31) P1 / 13 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 5 02:50.699 12:57.011
65 B Race 3 (41) P1 / 14 65cc 7-U13 Grade B 4 02:52.564 12:56.775
85 SW B Race 3 (48) P1 / 13 85/80cc 2st & 150cc 4st sw 9-U12 Grade B 5 02:52.270 12:38.716

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